Calif Prop 8

[LINN]

I am just a bit disappointed that no one has bothered to mention the OverTurning of Gay Marriage Amendment(Proposition 8 ) in California.
I am sure Someone must have a Thought or an Opinion??

[confused]

[Neveah]

It SUCKS and I am PISSSSSSED!!!! I am tired of the wishee washiness of Cali when it comes to that subject. We had local protest here today. It may have been state wide. I think everyone was suppose to meet at their local courthouse today and protest it. We did not go. Today is my birthday and we had other plans.

[fate]

I just wanna say Happy B'Day to you Neveah!
and.....I think it sucks that we are NOT the land of the free like we think we are........argh ~

[thelma6954]

Don't be disappointed that it wasn't previously mentioned here, LINN. Save your disappointment instead for those that voted for this discriminatory state proposition. It's crossed my mind to post something on here about Prop 8 since the morning after the election, but I've just been too pressed for time to do so.

What pisses me off is the fact that basic civil rights can be TAKEN AWAY from a whole group of people, especially after the CA State Supreme Court ruled these rights were legal. Would it be just and proper to let the people of CA (or any state for that matter) determine by vote if a certain population had the right to vote or not? Of course not! Well, this is exactly what was done to the LGBT communities by Prop 8.

I know in my gut that this, like every other civil right that people have had to fight for in the past, will eventually be overturned. But, I was and still am dismayed in this day and age that people have to continue to fight prejudice and discrimination for equal rights.

[Neveah]

Thank You Fate!!!

[thelma6954]

Posting an update:

Bush v. Gore Lawyers Take on Gay Marriage Ban

By Steve Gorman
Wed May 27, 9:05 pm ET

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) – Two lawyers who squared off in the legal battle over the 2000 U.S. presidential election teamed up on Wednesday to challenge California's gay marriage ban in a move that, if successful, would allow same-sex couples to wed anywhere in the United States.

The lawsuit, filed on behalf of two same-sex California couples barred from marrying under the voter-approved ban known as Proposition 8, puts them at odds with gay rights advocates who see a federal court challenge as too risky and fear a loss in the U.S. Supreme Court.

Lawyers Ted Olson and David Boies, who opposed each other in the Bush v. Gore U.S. Supreme Court case that put George W. Bush in the White House, said that gay people who cannot marry were turned into second-class citizens by Proposition 8 in violation of the U.S. Constitution.

Olson represented Bush and Boies represented Vice President Al Gore in the case that settled the disputed 2000 election.

If this lawsuit prevails, it would establish the right of gay couples to marry as the law of the land, upending laws in many U.S. states that specifically prohibit same-sex marriage.

Five of the 50 U.S. states have legalized gay marriage. Opponents, including many religious conservatives, see gay marriage as a threat to the "traditional family."

California's Supreme Court on Tuesday upheld Proposition 8, which defines marriage exclusively as between a man and a woman, as a valid amendment to the state's constitution.

The same court last May struck down a state law prohibiting same-sex marriage, opening the way for an estimated 18,000 gay couples to wed before the proposition was approved by California voters in November.

'FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT'
"This case is about equal rights guaranteed every American under the United States Constitution," Olson, who served as U.S. solicitor general under Bush, said in Los Angeles.

"For too long, gay men and lesbians who seek stable, committed, loving relationships within the institution of marriage have been denied that fundamental right that the rest of us freely enjoy."
The lawsuit was brought on Friday before the California high court ruling. On Wednesday, the lawyers filed a request for a federal court order to lift the ban and allow same-sex marriages to continue until the case is resolved.

Andrew Pugno, one of the lawyers who successfully defended Proposition 8 in state court, said the will of the voters was under attack. "This new federal lawsuit, brought by a pair of prominent but socially liberal lawyers, has very little chance of succeeding," he said.

Many conservatives oppose gay marriage while many liberals support it. Boies and Olson cast the debate in nonpartisan terms.

"We come from different parts of the political spectrum. But I think Republicans and Democrats, conservatives and liberals, all recognize the importance of equal rights guaranteed by the Constitution," Boies said. "This is a civil rights issue. A big one."

But gay rights activists are wary. "A federal lawsuit at this time is terribly risky," said Jenny Pizer, one of the lawyers for Lambda Legal Marriage Project who argued against Prop 8 before the California court.
Her organization, the American Civil Liberties Union and others said in a statement that "without more groundwork, the U.S. Supreme Court likely is not yet ready to rule that same-sex couples cannot be barred from marriage."

Olson and Boies disagreed, saying federal courts were ready to affirm marriage rights on the basis of sexual orientation.

Olson said there are a number of decisions by the U.S. Supreme Court that help this case, including the high court's 1967 ruling that struck down a Virginia statute prohibiting couples of different races from being married.

"We think we know what we're doing," Olson added.
(Additional reporting by Peter Henderson in San Francisco; Editing by Will Dunham)

[Selene]

What TRULY pisses me off is that conservatives and people opposed to gay marriage try to paint gays and lesbians as whores, as being promiscuous, debauched men and women who have no respect for relationships, when the mere fact that gays and lesbians are fighting to be able to legally commit themselves to one partner proves otherwise!

[LINN]

Very good point ! I agree, completely.

Selene Lilitu wrote:
What TRULY pisses me off is that conservatives and people opposed to gay marriage try to paint gays and lesbians as whores, as being promiscuous, debauched men and women who have no respect for relationships, when the mere fact that gays and lesbians are fighting to be able to legally commit themselves to one partner proves otherwise!

[Williow]

I just didnt like the campaign adds. With them showing a little girl going up to her mom saying "mommy mommy i can marry a princess" And then the add going on how it will be taught in schools. Prop 8 had nothing to to do with education but the love of one person between another and them wanting to legalize that love. The christians just poped that add in to scare parents into voting yes on it. I was quite proud of my town before the voting started there were groups of young adults everyday on the street corners with vote no on 8 signs.